thanks for the walk-through; it was beautiful however is Kano becoming a nanny in protecting players. Banning and booting raid perishers yet nothing is done to the hit lister who killed the player who had a different playing style or was just unlucky. Despised had a good point ; a return to the jungle is needed where the nanny is left at the door and why the paranoia of posting raids on the world job board ; you don't trust people. I did that and half my raid is killed before i blink yet others in my guild won't get their raid killed as they play it safe. And we do need more mini's or alts ; they are interwoven into the game already by many, high and low. Kano should endorse them, even sell them for favor points. When i was first doing raids, i was so thrilled and it looked so beautiful in my load-out - a kind of a status symbol. Now I don't show them anymore. I don't know why but i can still get better overall using my energy on job drops but that's not the point. I like raids as they're interesting to see if they'll go down or not and the effort required, if you like, to bring down your own or one you care about. But now I am doing minimum only as I see raids aren't full and if you're talking about penalties and you do, why aren't there penalties on players who are on umpteen raids only doing the minimum. That won't bring a raid down. its just greedy. There's a lot of different angles. The bad guy may not be and the good guy may not be good - it all comes down to intentions and revenge has always been endorsed within gaming so why the fuss. Anyways, have fun - if someone could tell me how to get to a high level, i would appreciate but that's another thread And yes, raids, as we all know, are designed so that a new player can reach level 3000. In fact, why don't players reset to get there when a raid is on. 3000 takes three years otherwise. I don't know why Kano doesn't have a competition for it and reward the new account and player with extra favors. Yet i see raids that go down and those that don't. its all a mystery even if you try to decode it but probably comes down to the charisma of the raid owner at the end of the raid. People aren;t fools and they know.