[LCN] LCN Lounge Chat Improvements Discussion

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by SparkleMotion, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. Old Salt

    Old Salt Well-Known Member

    Players should have health to be able to post in the Tavern. World Chat they can be dead or in the hospital but since the Tavern has a more freewheeling type of atmosphere where anything goes pretty much then loudmouths who choose to call out people or talk about them should have to have their character healed in the game. Not full health but at least out of the hospital where they can be dealt with in real time. And as an added bonus it would promote battling in the game which is what it's all about anyway since it is a fighting game after all, not just a social one.
    And please don't tell us there is a mute button. I have no interest in using that knowing full well someone who has themselves parked in chat running their mouth can be seen by everyone anyway. You wanna talk tough in chat then be prepared to back it up in game.
     
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  2. mi7ch

    mi7ch Administrator

    A mute button and having to be alive to talk in the world chat serve the exact same purpose, but the execution is different.

    The difference is, you control the mute button. What's to stop a group of players from picking a target and ensuring they're never alive, therefor effectively censoring them regardless of the reason? That's beyond a player's control and would make for an even more negative gameplay experience. What if you get picked as the target of the week and you can't talk in Tavern for who knows how long? Your answer right now might be "people can take their lumps", but it would be pretty frustrating, wouldn't it?

    Allowing what is essentially mob justice is not a realistic or sustainable practice of chat moderation and would indeed create more oversight for us, which is the opposite of what the Lounge/Tavern chat was made for.

    If you use the mute button, you can no longer see what that person is saying, so what they are saying should be of no consequence to you. If the idea that someone might be saying something without you knowing bothers you, then I don't know what to tell you.

    I'm sorry if I come across as unsympathetic, but Lounge/Tavern chat is increasingly becoming like the old World Chat in terms of the time and effort we need to govern it, which like I said is the exact result we did not want. At the end of the day, that channel was created to be unmoderated except in extreme circumstances and I've seen reports of language that wouldn't pass muster as an insult in elementary school. We are in the process of rethinking how we enforce our rules on the Lounge chat, and allowing players to gang up and ensure that someone does not have a voice regardless of validity for doing so will not be among them.
     
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  3. Kirsten

    Kirsten Well-Known Member

    before the lounge we kept asking, again it is not what the players says, or what words are used, this is a fighting game, it is about being a coward in the game, ya keep missing the point, we don't care about trash talking , in fact we like it, we don't care if we are talked about muted or not muted, it is the 'simple' fact that it is done cowardly and No the reason given in your first few lines lol is not anything anyone I know has considered, but thanks for putting that idea out there, what I do know is any of us who feel not being dead while talking in the lounge/tavern, is not something we would even do, if I were killed , before I spoke, unless I did not notice right away, I would make sure I had enough health to be whipped,slapped, punched, etc and listed before I said a word, cause I am not a coward in a clicky game lol , so again it is about running their mouth on purpose while dead, knowing, they cannot be touched, but hey if ya don't want to change it , , don't worry we will target the coward, anyway, regardless , just not as often as we could if they had a bit of health, so thanks for nothing. :p we are not concerned about 'language', we are all adults as it is I have to watch what I say, :p I am fine with the rules, not being racist, or making crude sexual threats, or anything about sexual abuse to kids, threats of bodily harm etc,, so in ending, I don't know what to tell kano either, other than, ...................
     
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  4. Old Salt

    Old Salt Well-Known Member

    They can do that now Mitch. Anyone or any group can target anybody at any time and if they are running their mouth in chat they can just wait till he puts his health back up and keep him dead. Needing health to post in chat isn't going to make that any more of a threat to someone. If you're going to get targeted you're going to get targeted. Period.
    And the mute button is not a solution to someone running their mouth. So I can't see what they are saying so that makes everything okay? Better having the ability to be able to shut some mouth then just ignoring it.
    As far as Tavern complaints, maybe you wouldn't keep being bombarded with nonsense tickets if you did need health to post.
     
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  5. Seppo

    Seppo Active Member

    he got the point!!! above
     
  6. Kirsten

    Kirsten Well-Known Member

    LOL so then he can just say No we won't do it :p instead of excuses, :cool:
     
  7. Sandy Barrows

    Sandy Barrows Active Member

    Sorry guys i see no purpose to lounge chat at all - its a cess pit - its full of hate and bad mouthing and demeaning people - the few call out for lower levels and people they dislike to be constantly punched and listed - it needs removing !
     
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  8. Smack

    Smack Kano Krusader

    Just because you don't enjoy the channel doesn't mean it needs removing. If it is not for you that is perfectly fine, and it sounds like you avoid it, but that doesn't mean that there are not others that do enjoy the Lounge, as toxic as it might be at times.
     
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  9. Kirsten

    Kirsten Well-Known Member

    it is all in your perspective, we have had world chat for years, the lounge/tavern is a newer version, and I know in VC and PC , we have alot of fun making fun of each other and the creepy ones lol, consider the source of some of the real nasty ones, and I know some that have been banned from them, but that is only caused they crossed a line, targeting low levels is not one of those lines, and it normal gameplay, especially if they start running their mouths whining, that just makes it worse for them, or anyone, regardless of their level
     
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  10. If player A is abusing people and you mute them like I did, they still abuse them, accuse them of being other peoples accounts, they go on Face Book accounts and cause trouble there, they call people's bosses, they do background searches on people to further be able to twist things around in the lounge that has nothing to do with the game, they talk about peoples family in the lounge which is against the lounge rules, they threaten or attack other people in the game just because they may be in some one mob over things that has nothing to do with the game so they sit on whole syndicates that are new players. there's no need for swearing in the chat just to laugh at people over it, you can have friendly banter like it used to be or does happen on the other games without all the crap that the lounge players on lcn take pass boundry's. muting people doesn't stop it. I know I'm a new player from mafia wars and I am accused of being a player that no longer has a account or plays the game. I've been called and accused almost every name you can think of because of this and none of these people have ever met me or even know what I look like or who I am, Nor do they know about my family or my work. So I perfectly understand why player B would file a complaint about it.
     
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  11. stop the over the wall threats against people and their families. your rules say no bringing up families or kids, but you do nothing when it does happen. keep things pertaining to the game only. if people want to talk about things out side the game, there's face book or skype or private messages
     
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  12. I agree with sandy, it does need removing, its only use to mock people and to abuse them, world chat was fine until mafia wars went down, after that it became like the lounge until enough people got tired of the abuse. the lounge should never have been opened all they did was to move it out of the world chat. I don't have a problem with friendly banter between friends as long as it pertains to the game but the outright abuse of people is way beyond any decent measure and should not be allowed and sandy is right, its nothing but a cess pool now and has nothing to really do with playing the game outside of call people nasty names and threatening people.
     
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  13. thank you mitch, now you finally understand how the lower levels or the people that did nothing at first to receive this type of treatment and when they finally spoke up it only got worse. I see no need for that type of lounge to be in the game, let alone how it makes some people think, My grandfather always said that a kind word to someone that really needed to hear good things would someday save a life in the real world. You never know for sure that there someone in the lounge or any chat might need to hear something good but then they get target and the abuse drives them to suicide. I know of at least one other game that happened and that game finally got shut down.
     
  14. not all like the trash talking and it has nothing to do with being a coward, most people would fight one on one and you keep missing the point, it has to do with the abuse and demeaning that most people are complaining about or the threats made and remarks made about their family members. not all kano games has that much of it going on in the lounges or taverns or what ever kind of chat they got, and it was not that common from what I heard in the world chat in lcn until mafia wars closed down.

    and it has nothing to really do with wether your killed or fight back in the chat room. why would someone heal while they chat, just to be targeted by thirty or forty people at once. before you call someone a coward, try fighting them if they are your level one on one without calling in others to do your fighting for you, then you'll see if they are really cowards or not. if you really want to know what I think is a coward in this game is calling in others to attack, punch , hit list for you instead of doing it yourself
     
  15. In VC and PC which you play the most Kristen things are not like they are in LCN and lines are crossed several times by both sides of the arguments each day. when they are then yes the people get banned for it in VC and PC, in LCN, the High Spenders and others have not gotten banned for it and they push the line or cross it the most every day,

    Then the other side get pissed off about it and they start doing the same, nothing is ever solved and it does get old and everyday a lot more people get tired of it then they leave the game. sooner or later its gonna become that revenue is lost more then what the few high spenders spend in the game and it will shut down if the game keeps losing money for the company.

    Also when the lounge players change the rules like they did in the blitz, then it also becomes where a certain percentage take over that aspect of the game, the game is flooded so much now by the blitz being played by a few syndicates and the lounge players so much that the regular players cannot even get in to list normal players.

    If they should get a bounty from the way they play it in the lounge then that player is target by the whole lounge if they don't list their players that were chosen and set up to be a target. Some players don't even go into the lounge so they don't know whats going on

    I don't have a problem with how they play the blitz but I do have a problem with being target becuz they don't play it that way. and if I played the blitz and happened to get the target bounty, I certainly would not list just to let others collect money from me for it after the way I have been treated also by many in the lounge.

    people should not be forced or threaten to list someone if they don't wish to do so, it should be their choice to list if they want too.
     
  16. Why do you say WE, You do not talk for everyone and not all of us like a lot of things or need to be healed to talk. if I am talking in chat, I am not playing the game at that moment but I am talking to friends etc and not worried wether I am dead or not. and no i would not heal just becuz someone wants to punch or hit list me at that moment. someone runs there mouth while dead about you then I would expect to be targeted by you. but then if you call in others to beat up on someone wether they run their mouths or not and do not target them yourself then to me that is the coward way of handling the problem.

    personally I rather pound them myself if I can then have others do it for me. but i cannot say that I would not call in others if they did that to me first. I figure I would play the same way the other person I fight is playing, if they fight one on one then I play that way, if they call others in also, then so would I.
     
  17. Steven Jordan

    Steven Jordan Member

    I would like to personally thank Steve Williams for ruining my game experience in LCN.

    I have been getting targeted daily in game by people 10,000 levels higher because they think I'm you.

    Thank you very little.
     
  18. Kirsten

    Kirsten Well-Known Member

    LOL ya funny ya know, sorry but if you won't heal and or stay dead and continue to run your mouth , then you are the coward, when i say' we" I mean my friends who call out the cowards that run their mouth in chat or tavern while dead, and yes I am talking for them.
     
  19. Kirsten

    Kirsten Well-Known Member

    Honestly I see no difference between LCN PC and VC or ZS in how people behave, whether it is positive or negative attention someone gives or gets, been playing kano games since 2010. So staying out of the lounge/ tavern/Chat is a good idea if people don't want to bring attention to themselves, in two of the 4 games I rarely talk in chat, cause of my level and or my account not being as strong as my other two games, where I am strong, I will trash talk and take what comes game wise and talk trash and make fun right back , in spades . :) Tavern is a newer feature, that gives us more freedom to talk trash, but if someone threatens someone outside of the game, that is a violation a ticket can be sent with the all the info pertaining to it, there are lines in the lounge/ tavern, which are explained when we accept to open it, I will say ya have to not only have to have a strong account( which by doing raids for a new or lower level player is not the best way to level) but being these are fighting games, if someone is not use to PVP playing it can seem hard to deal with, but that can be overcome by letting it roll off our back, and choosing to just have fun with it, just know that whatever we do to retaliate in words or game actions, will just keep the dramas alive . When one drama with a player/players ends another will begin, in my 8 years of playing kano games and 3 years before in another company's PVP game, that I can guarantee . :)
     
  20. Kirsten

    Kirsten Well-Known Member

    You don't get it this a fighting game and as long as someone is not cheating, almost anything goes, and if it is not what you like why should others have to change the way they play cause you don't play that way, that is not gonna happen, either enjoy it , rise above it, let it roll off your back, or be miserable, that choice is yours.
     

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